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Feb. 1st, 2007

03:53 pm - Hate hate hate hate hate! (Telemarketers)

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A short time ago, my cell phone rang. I picked up, and ... a recorded message from some &%@)^&@!&* MORTGAGE COMPANY! ARGH! It said press '1' to find out more, so I did, in order to talk to a human and demand their info, which I did. Here's the info:

I have been unable to find any information about the company on-line. Damn them and their generic name.

Anyway, having extracted that information from them, I informed her that they had called me on my cell phone and that that is illegal. She retorted that it is no longer illegal based on "a law passed last year". I know of no such change in law, and I am highly skeptical. I don't really know how to find out, though, and I am annoyed that I'm unable to find further info on the company. I told them never to call this number again. She said she'd remove my # from their list. I want to follow up on this, because it's the first time I have received a cold call on my cell phone.

Moments later, the stupid Republican party called our land line. That's legal, but I asked them not to do so.

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From:maeglin73
Date:February 2nd, 2007 12:43 am (UTC)
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This is certainly the first time I've heard of a phone spammer using a hoax to defend their actions.
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From:mavjop
Date:February 2nd, 2007 01:44 am (UTC)
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Was that sarcasm? :)
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From:maeglin73
Date:February 2nd, 2007 02:00 am (UTC)
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No... this would be the first time. I don't talk to many, myself, as the bunch that ignore the "do not call" list get to talk to the answering machine :-)
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From:mavjop
Date:February 2nd, 2007 02:14 am (UTC)
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Ahh. :)
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From:mavjop
Date:February 2nd, 2007 01:48 am (UTC)
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Oh, BTW, also: Thanks for the URL. Interesting, but what is also interesting is how as far as I could see from a skim of the text of the page, it doesn't say that telemarketers calling one's cell phone is illegal. It just seems to say, "don't worry, your number isn't about to be sold to lots of them." I always understood that it was actively illegal for a telemarketer to call one's cell phone.
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From:maeglin73
Date:February 2nd, 2007 02:02 am (UTC)
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It does say that it's illegal to use an auto-dialer (which most telemarketers do, and apparently that one did) to call a cel phone, and there's a link to the FTC web site backing that up.
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From:mavjop
Date:February 2nd, 2007 02:14 am (UTC)
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Well, given that this was a recorded message, I'm sure it was an auto-dialler.
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From:urox
Date:February 2nd, 2007 03:10 am (UTC)
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ftc link:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/tcpa.html

See specifically under "Automatic Telephone Dialing Systems and Artificial or Prerecorded Voice Calls"

autodialers and any artificial or prerecorded voice messages may not be used to contact numbers assigned to:
a paging service, cellular telephone service, or other radio common carrier service, or any service for which the person being called would be charged for the call


fcc complaint link: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475.cfm

http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs5-tmkt.htm#California
Calfornia Law:
#Recorded messages. Unsolicited prerecorded calls for the sale or lease of goods or services are banned unless a "live" operator first asks permission to play the tape. The operator must also tell the person who answers the phone the name of the caller and either the caller's address or telephone number. The operator must also ask if the person consents to hear the recorded message. Companies can use recorded messages when they contact established customers or if you have requested their call. (California Civil Code 1770(22)(A))
If you have suffered damages as a result of prerecorded calls, you may sue to recover damages, stop the calls, restore your property and/or obtain other relief that the court believes you deserve (California Civil Code 1780).
* Automatic dialing-announcing devices. Marketers use automatic dialing-announcing devices to advertise using pre-recorded messages. These calls are prohibited unless a "live" operator first makes an announcement to the person called. The operator must state the nature of the call and the name, address and telephone number of the business. The caller must also inquire if the person consents to hear the prerecorded message. This requirement does not apply to law enforcement or other specified agencies that use the automatic dialing-announcing device to provide information relating to public safety, police, or fire emergencies. (California Public Utilities Code 2872-2874)

Automatic dialing-announcing devices may be used if the person being called has given prior consent, if there is a prior business relationship, if they have requested the call, or for other specified purposes including a school contacting a student's parent/guardian regarding attendance. (California Public Utilities Code 2872, 2873) These devices may only be used in California to place calls received in California from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. (California Public Utilities Code 2872)

The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) imposes penalties for violations of the use of automatic dialing-announcing devices. The penalty is a fine up to $500 for each violation and/or disconnection of the telephone service to the automatic dialing-announcing device for a period of time as specified by the CPUC. (California Public Utilities Code 2876)


Best links:
action: http://www.junkbusters.com/fcc.html#action
http://www.junkbusters.com/self.html
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From:mavjop
Date:February 2nd, 2007 04:48 am (UTC)
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Thanks for the URLs/info!
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 14th, 2007 05:13 pm (UTC)

complaints on the 602-624-4822 number

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I also received a call from 602-624-4822 about mortgage loans. A bunch of people here http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-602-624-4822 also complain about these irritating calls. Thnks for the links. I filed a complaint.
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From:mavjop
Date:February 14th, 2007 05:37 pm (UTC)

Re: complaints on the 602-624-4822 number

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I'm sorry to hear that you also got the call. I'm glad to hear you filed a complaint. :)
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From:cdy
Date:February 2nd, 2007 03:08 am (UTC)
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http://wirelesslanai.blogspot.com/2006/10/dorothy-matter.html
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From:mavjop
Date:February 2nd, 2007 04:39 am (UTC)
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Hah! I think it WAS the Dorothy thing. Also, (602) 624-4nnn. Not the same number precisely as quoted in that write-up, but same all but 3 final digits. Aha!
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From:mavjop
Date:February 4th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
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Further perhaps relevant information:
    http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/celldirectory.html
    most telemarketing calls to cellular telephones are prohibited by the Federal Communications Commission. From the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 47, Chapter 1, Part 64, Subpart L, Section 64.1200(a)(1)(iii):

    "No person or entity may initiate any telephone call... using an automatic telephone dialing system or an artificial or prerecorded voice to any telephone number assigned to a paging service, cellular telephone service, specialized mobile radio service, or other radio common carrier service, or any service for which the called party is charged for the call."
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From:(Anonymous)
Date:March 28th, 2007 02:07 am (UTC)

Class Action Lawsuit

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Hey, I just received my third call from these folks and searched online for them. That is how I found your page. I also found a post by an attorney who is trying to bring a class action suit against them. Here it is:

Christopher 65.102.55.100

I am an attorney in Portland, Oregon. I received a call from Dorothy on my unlisted cell phone. I am investigating a possible class action against telemarketers and their customers for violations of 47 USC 227, which provides for a private cause of action for injunctive relief and a statutory minimum penalty of $500 per violation. If anyone has verifiable information on the idenity of the telemarketer(s) and their customer(s) please contact our firm by going to www.slaterross.com

So if you happen to get a call from them again let them refer you and try to get as much info as you can out of the people they connect you to. Any more information you can get out of them please forward it to the attorney Christopher Slater. I would love to see these scumbags crushed.

-Dan
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